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AMartin
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Hi All,

We've been using sfdc for about a year and we have yet to use the Leads functionality. One of our divisions has bought a list of leads and now wants to use the Leads tab. However, there are many instances where the list contains multiple people from the same Company. If I import the list as it is, I have multiple leads in sfdc for the same company. If I clean the list so that only one lead per company is imported into sfdc, I lose the other contact information if this Lead becomes a customer.

Any best practices would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Aiden
01-19-2005 08:36 PM
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So this is a great discussion. What is a lead?

A best practice that I use is to define a lead as a unqualified prospect only. Trade shows, generic purchased lists, inbound calls etc. I generally stress to users that leads should be used to disqualify potential prospects so they stay out of accounts.

A common misconception is that accounts are only customers. This is not true. Accounts in my world are customers, qualified prospects, competitors, vendors, even your own company should be an account within salesforce to take advantage of mass email and other communication vehicles.

As soon as you have enough information to qualify a lead it should be converted immediately, the account "type" now being "prospect" One of the obvious advantages you have already seen is the ability to manage interactions with multiple contacts and/or opportunities.

You may figure out a way to create custom lead fields for contact 2, contact 3 etc. DO NOT DO IT. You will compound your problems when you convert the lead because that information will now need to be turned into individual contacts.

It sounds to me like your list contains what I would call "qualified prospects" and therefore I would save yourself a tremendous amount of troubla and simply import as a single account with multiple contacts. When you import set the account type to prospect or even pre-qualified prospect.
01-20-2005 08:30 AM
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Aiden,

Sf.com has no way currently of adding multiple contacts to a lead. There tech department says this and I have fought them on this for a year now.

We had to do as successman recommends create a account first and then enter the other contacts there under one master account. We use the "STATUS" field to note they are prospects (to separate them from the balance of accounts). This makes the "LEADS" tab not very useful, since it has many limitations and to top it off the leads do not appear in the offline edition. Which makes it even more useless.

In conclusion: we have to monitor not only the "LEADS" but also any account with a "STATUS" of prospect. Very silly if you ask me but, sf.com has no work around that I know of at this time...

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01-20-2005 09:02 AM
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I hear what you are saying but at some point you need to make a clear distinction between a lead and a prospect. The leads tab is built to capture leads through web to leads, route them through the assignment rules, support campaigns, but most importantly separate them from accounts.

Maybe accounts is too defined. Maybe we should renamed the tab "everything except unqualified leads".
01-20-2005 09:07 AM
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I realize that adding these lists as Accounts with multiple contacts may be my only option, but it's not a satisfactory one. I have to trust that my account managers will actually update the type field from 'Prospect' to 'Customer' when they should. I recognize there are limitations with the leads tab but it seems to more effectively report on how many of those leads actually become accounts and the value of related opportunities. It also allows me to keep my account list 'clean'.

Thanks for your feedback.

Aiden
01-20-2005 09:27 AM
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Understood. Reinforcing the correct behaivor of your team is going to be an ongoing issue not limited to this one subject.

I use many exception reports to help me reinforce. ie: show me all accounts with opportunities or more specifcally closed opportunities where the account type is not equal to customer.
01-20-2005 09:34 AM
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Just to add my two cents on this bit on two points: Reporting and touch points.

I've only been with this company for 6 months now, but have been on SFDC for over 2 years now. When I came on board they where already using leads in a typical fashion that I'm sure most start ups do. They had over 15 leads Sources different, redudent custom fields and so forth. From a high level, C-level, no real analysis could be determined with out intervention. The VP couldn't ask the simple question, how man leads did we get over the web. This was becasue 9 different lead sources where marked as web and cluttered up the charts.

After changing the methdology on how they wanted to report on inbound leads and start to capture ROI analysis I've put up 3 different dashboards all around Leads and Campaigns. Leads for the last 120 days, Campaigns for the current fiscal year, current fiscal quarter, and a rolling 365 day charts.

Below is the quote from our VP of marketing:

"Very nice, in 20 years of marketing I've never been able to show metrics ROI like this!! May 2005 bring more of this, especially with the partner portal."

What I had them change was making all touchpoints go into campaigns. From there when a prospect 'lead' touches any fortinet we know how many times, when they where, and what came out of it. Is there more data clean up and do dilagence... sure but isn't that going to be part of any process? However I think using leads and being able to report the way SFDC gives up is a huge success.

Anyway... my two cents... or a bit more.
 

Pete
01-20-2005 09:57 AM
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successman wrote:
So this is a great discussion. What is a lead?

A best practice that I use is to define a lead as a unqualified prospect only. Trade shows, generic purchased lists, inbound calls etc. I generally stress to users that leads should be used to disqualify potential prospects so they stay out of accounts.

A common misconception is that accounts are only customers. This is not true. Accounts in my world are customers, qualified prospects, competitors, vendors, even your own company should be an account within salesforce to take advantage of mass email and other communication vehicles.

As soon as you have enough information to qualify a lead it should be converted immediately, the account "type" now being "prospect" One of the obvious advantages you have already seen is the ability to manage interactions with multiple contacts and/or opportunities.

You may figure out a way to create custom lead fields for contact 2, contact 3 etc. DO NOT DO IT. You will compound your problems when you convert the lead because that information will now need to be turned into individual contacts.

It sounds to me like your list contains what I would call "qualified prospects" and therefore I would save yourself a tremendous amount of troubla and simply import as a single account with multiple contacts. When you import set the account type to prospect or even pre-qualified prospect.




Yes, this is a good discussion.

The challenge is that you can't create a web-to-contact field in SFDC. All incoming responses to your web forms MUST be tagged as leads, qualified or not, known or not.

I think this is a problem with how SFDC is initially configured. It impacts not only analysis of touch points in determining campaign effectiveness, but it makes it **bleep** hard to get a decent report.

I think when Salesforce finally fixes this, it'll be Martha Stewart ("a good thing").

- Steve
01-20-2005 03:49 PM
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Steve,
Not to define Salesforce but when you say: "I think this is a problem with how SFDC is initially configured." Our business doesn't see it that way.

It might help in understanding if you could explain why aren't you using the Leads object? What business decision keeps you guys from using leads?
 

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01-20-2005 04:39 PM
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Fifedog wrote:
Steve,
Not to define Salesforce but when you say: "I think this is a problem with how SFDC is initially configured." Our business doesn't see it that way.

It might help in understanding if you could explain why aren't you using the Leads object? What business decision keeps you guys from using leads?




Pete,

We're heavy users of campaigns. Campaigns are the top of our sales funnel and we have a lot of SFDC marketing users setting up and using them now.

The problem with using Leads is that in order to create a campaign in SFDC with current users, you have to do an export of both Leads and Contacts and import them into your campaign separately. That's a whole extra step for people who already think it's silly that you have to export, then re-import files into SFDC in order to get your work done (I have to say I've come to agree -- you should be able to move data around a hosted application without dropping files on your desktop).

Adding to that, there's no standard definition of a lead vs. a contact. Take a look at some of the discussions here. Some people see leads as unqualified prospects. Some see them as qualified prospects. Others use leads just to track campaign effectiveness.

So the business decisions that lead us to this conclusion is threefold:

1. SFDC doesn't have the infrastucture to easily combine leads and contacts into a single report.
2. The import/export process for creating campaigns is a process headache for my team here.
3. We define leads as unqualified prospects; however, the web-to-lead function doesn't allow the flexibility we need to separate unknown individuals from known ones. Therefore, we had to change our whole process to shoehorn in to how SFDC is configured.

Hope this makes sense,

Steve
01-21-2005 09:43 AM
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